Like new. I was needing to get a signal out in my shop. I tried both and for some reason I couldn't get either one to connect to my internet/laptop. Don't know if I was actually doing something wrong or what. So I spent the extra money and picked up a mesh system. Buy if you need to get a better signal like on a second floor or basement, they should work. They've just been sitting in a box. So now it's time to start selling some stuff. Also have several routers that I dont need. Will sell individually or all together. $20 each on everything. Will get pictures of the routers if theres any interest in them.